tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post468662249998044789..comments2024-02-15T12:05:40.992-08:00Comments on Bras I Hate & Love: Victoria's Secret Fashion Show-It's Complicated.Bras I Hatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07692999972337398680noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-25839003809001410152012-01-17T14:20:33.563-08:002012-01-17T14:20:33.563-08:00Thanks for your comment. I recognize that people&#...Thanks for your comment. I recognize that people's weights can fluctuate in ways they dislike if they don't maintain certain habits, but then on the other hand I still wonder if perhaps our culture has an overly negative attitude to gaining weight in general. Personally, as someone who wasted years of my life trying to lose pounds that I never needed to lose, when I was already at a very low weight for my body, I feel negatively about our weight-loss-obsessed culture. People have complimented me for losing weight at times when my weight loss was not healthy, ie when I had a severe tonsil infection and could hardly eat. I ended up in the emergency room but people complimented me for weight loss as though I'd started working out and eating healthier. I'm really happy to hear that your weight loss has been slow and gradual and hasn't taken over your life--I hope your blog will help communicate that attitude of healthy living to your readers. Sadly, many other sources are irresponsible and, I think, potentially dangerous to their viewers.Bras I Hatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07692999972337398680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-81325993079731071712012-01-17T14:14:32.197-08:002012-01-17T14:14:32.197-08:00You're definitely right about not marginalizin...You're definitely right about not marginalizing different body types. It is extremely difficult for me to not get bitter and I sometimes wish the tables were turned, but in the end that would not be fair either. However, I find your attitude inspiring and worthy of emulating.Bras I Hatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07692999972337398680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-45118684314731006172012-01-17T14:11:08.936-08:002012-01-17T14:11:08.936-08:00I recently heard about this. It is really sobering...I recently heard about this. It is really sobering, and always something to be aware of questioning with companies, which I often forget.Bras I Hatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07692999972337398680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-55961214009138757172012-01-16T15:13:30.930-08:002012-01-16T15:13:30.930-08:00I just came across this post now but it's some...I just came across this post now but it's something I've been thinking about a lot lately. I'm not a fan of body shaming in any way whatsoever but like others, I really would like to see more diversity in the fashion world. I can't stand trying to find clothes online and having no clue if they will actually look good on my body type or not! <br /><br />I have a lot of reasons to dislike Victoria Secrets (first and foremost their limited size range and how they treat customers who don't fit in that size range) so the way they (and most everyone for that matter) chooses their models just drives me even more nuts. I love seeing brands like BiuBiu, Pin-up Girl, Ewa Michalak, etc who show a wider range of models. I've been working towards buying from brands that do support diversity (and like treacle said, I'd LOVE to see diversity not just in body shape but in ethnicity too) in modeling. <br /><br />I know I'm nit-picking here too but some of us can't just go about our lives and leave our weight be. My weight goes up when I'm not at a good spot- almost depressed, actually. Dealing with my weight means dealing with some mental aspect of my life and it really isn't just about living up to a perfect ideal. There are a lot of health issues going on there too. ;) However, my weight loss has always been done in a slow manner, through exercise and healthy eating (with the help of a nutritionist at times). Extremes measures are another manner all together and if what Lima said is true, it is quite frightening and should really be addressed head on by the fashion industry.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08978428709634320148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-79017546712394667252012-01-13T09:27:44.896-08:002012-01-13T09:27:44.896-08:00A new reason to dislike Victoria's Secrets: ht...A new reason to dislike Victoria's Secrets: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-13/child-labor-for-fair-trade-cotton-probed-by-u-s-investigators.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-73293781392283990612011-12-06T17:17:20.441-08:002011-12-06T17:17:20.441-08:00I really like Brittany's comment. As an Africa...I really like Brittany's comment. As an African American women with an athletic, muscular build, I don't see women who look like me anywhere. My body type is not addressed by society, nor is it often viewed as "attractive" by people in the thin or curvy camps. And let's not even get into the topic of the under-representation of people of color in the fashion industry.<br /><br />I wish that there was more diversity on every access within fashion: weight, height, age, body type--but until I there is, I fervently believe that the solution isn't to marginalize women who have a body type different from yours.Treaclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296470687157331158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-59104732990232692262011-12-06T12:42:22.584-08:002011-12-06T12:42:22.584-08:00@ En Bouton, that is really well-put: "I have...@ En Bouton, that is really well-put: "I have experienced body-shaming on an individual, personal level, but in a wider sense I still experience cultural and social privilege due to my size". That seems really crucial.<br />@Sophia, ahh, you're right! I had forgotten about Twiggy...Bras I Hatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07692999972337398680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-48108216178191527932011-12-06T11:11:26.566-08:002011-12-06T11:11:26.566-08:00Yes, I agree with what both of you are saying too....Yes, I agree with what both of you are saying too. However, I do think other eras have been damaging too, the 60's when Twiggy first came on to the scene and even the 20's. I think we all dream of a day when a wide variety of different sizes will be more commonly shown, but who knows, we can only hope!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-70876657649051705102011-12-06T11:07:57.044-08:002011-12-06T11:07:57.044-08:00"...the difference is that the very skinny wo..."...the difference is that the very skinny woman can look in almost any fashion magazine, or at almost any runway show, and see her body type reflected there. Despite not eliminating the possibility of body insecurity, this is still not the case for most other body types who rarely or never see their body type glorified."<br /><br />I have that particular body type myself, and I agree 100%. I have experienced body-shaming on an individual, personal level, but in a wider sense I still experience cultural and social privilege due to my size.<br /><br />Honestly, even if every single model in the Victoria's Secret show was completely healthy and just happened to be naturally thin, I would still be uncomfortable with the idea that thinness is the only way to be acceptable. This is why I avoid most fashion media; there is nothing positive or body-accepting in the way it glorifies thin women.En Boutonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807060294543223882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-33520339754154994062011-12-06T09:29:34.991-08:002011-12-06T09:29:34.991-08:00I do want to point out that there are a lot of dif...I do want to point out that there are a lot of different body types, beyond skinny and curvy, beyond big and small. What really terrifies me about the times we live in, is that we have beauty standards that are literally impossible to achieve. Even the beautiful models in glossy ads don't look that way in real life. We live in a time when every single female has body image issues, because none of us can stand up to the standard. I try not to judge, based on outward appearances, whether or not someone has body image issues. I know plus sized women who are perfectly happy and slender gorgeous young women who hate their bodies. It's important to remember that body issues are a personal, and often psychological thing, and they don't always follow what we see as logic. Also, sometimes, when one is closer to perfection, the pressure becomes all the more intense, because you are *almost* pretty. But not quite. You can never attain that last bit of perfection that makes you Pretty Material. Such is the world we live in. I try to encourage curvy women to be proud of their bodies, without bashing any other body type in the process. Body bashing on any side isn't helpful. I believe we need to team up together, as women, united in the belief that a whole, diverse range of body types can be beautiful.<br /><br />..I don't know if what I just said agrees with you or not, haha. But it is how I feel about the situation. :-)Brittanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977491431845058152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-29217722292245815242011-12-06T08:56:17.976-08:002011-12-06T08:56:17.976-08:00I am guessing that some of the Victoria's Secr...I am guessing that some of the Victoria's Secret Angels are under their natural weight based on the extreme nature of the diet and workout plan described by Adriana Lima, but I would make no attempt to judge others. <br /><br />You are right that there is generally a certain ideal of beauty in each era which is painful for those who arbitrarily do not meet that ideal. I would suggest, though, that the current ideal can be more damaging than some of those in the past, based on the deaths from anorexia of several models ie Ana Carolina Reston, Luisel Ramos, etc. An unattainable ideal is one thing, but when the pursuit of perfection can cause starvation or death for those who do not have the 'ideal' body type naturally, I think it has reached new levels.Bras I Hatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07692999972337398680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-27547348417189245532011-12-06T08:40:38.347-08:002011-12-06T08:40:38.347-08:00I agree with a lot of what you say, but it's n...I agree with a lot of what you say, but it's not really possible to judge whether someone is over or under their natural weight except in extreme cases (which tend to be most obvious with fashion catwalk models). <br />I think the real issue is that advertising everywhere should show a range of sizes, never just a generic type. There would be far less skinny/curvy bashing and far more awareness if a multitude of sizes were shown in everyday things, this includes not just advertising, but television too. Take a typical US teen tv series, 90210 for example, which other than being atrocious, many young girls will watch. Every girl on the program is the same size, there is no variation, and it's like this everywhere. In every era, there is an 'ideal' size, and I think sadly society will always struggle to break free from that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-55283930497560995322011-12-06T07:00:18.442-08:002011-12-06T07:00:18.442-08:00Haha that's very true. Of course most of the s...Haha that's very true. Of course most of the stuff in the show isn't ever produced for sale (which is kind of hilarious and postmodern, if you think about it) so I guess they must just sort of glue it on for them to walk the runway once. <br />Most of those models would probably need 24 backs, right??Bras I Hatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07692999972337398680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-706716744772949852.post-19975746275134397552011-12-06T06:58:15.329-08:002011-12-06T06:58:15.329-08:00I used to love watching that show every year until...I used to love watching that show every year until I discovered how bras really should fit. At that point I realised that VS didn't even stock the bras in the sizes the models need. Every one of them walks around with a too big band and too small cups just to get some extreme cleavage. And then everyone thinks that's how the bras should fit... :( These days I cannot even watch it because I just get too annoyed.Helenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01099419025777654135noreply@blogger.com